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Post by macgregor on Dec 15, 2008 19:59:04 GMT -5
Another thing I've been thinking about is how each of these characters have special talents and skills, and that surely those are the kind of things they should be focusing on instead of the dresses and pointless stuff like that. If they really feel the need to exploit these characters for money, they could at least use them to teach kids something worthwhile and meaningful. We could learn about singing and music with Ariel, reading and writing with Belle, cooking with Snow White, dancing with Aurora, martial arts with Mulan, craft and sewing with Cinderella, nature with Pocahontas, and travel and culture with Jasmine. That would be perfect! They could do so much if they would just stay true to character. Breaking down each princess to their talents would still make tons and tons of opportunities for merchandise. I feel the same about loosing faith in Disney, and it makes me really sad. It seems so strange they don't care that they are being seen this way even if they still have a huge following. How did Disney fall victim to the poison apple? All it takes is just one bite..
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Post by tnadav1 on Dec 16, 2008 10:32:10 GMT -5
I don't think that the line will ever (And why end it? it's about Ariel and other Disney female heroes and their films) But that's exactly the problem I have with the Disney Princesses franchise. It's not really about those amazing Disney characters. It just exploits them to make money. The characters in the movies don't even act like Princesses (except for Aurora, which is weird considering she doesn't want to be one). They are fun, adventurous, hard working, strong and intelligent. They teach kids that being a good person is more important than looking beautiful on the outside. But the Disney Princesses are the complete opposite! Any kind of substance is gone and all they teach kids is that if you want to be beautiful and popular, all you have to do is put on a pink dress and a ton of makeup, clasp your hands together in some ridiculous pose that makes you look like you've just had your brain removed, and behave accordingly. All it does is encourage little girls to be vain and bratty. The whole thing reminds me more of the Evil Queen than any of the characters it's actually supposed to be representing. Another reason I hate the Princess franchise is because it is way too gender specific. It used to be the case that anyone could enjoy and learn from these incredible movies and characters. Now Disney think they have a target demographic or whatever, so if the movie has female lead character that they can abuse, it's just for girls. When TLM was released in 1989, long before the Princess franchise, it was for everybody to enjoy. When the DVD was released over here in 2006, it had a great big pink sticker on the front saying "the perfect gift for girls". Generations of boys are being put off these movies and they are really missing out. :( Just look at these pictures... Do you really not see a big difference between this "Disney Princess" and the character in the movie? Well,they"re show being good on the stories and things like Enchanted Tales,they sometimes more focuse about dresses and jewels but still. I like the good stuff and I hate the ugly and bad stuff that are about make up and beauty (Like those awful Ariel's Beginning and Sleeping Beauty sets that Wal-Mart has,I hope that they aren't planning for Snow White and the Princess And The Frog ) that they think that only little girls like the Princesses,those little girls are like the Evil Queen,they don't even know anything about the Princesses and their films. About the gender-The thing is that EVERY Disney girl is marketed for girls and it doesn't matter if she's a Princess or not,look at the Fairies,Alice,Hannah Montana and Disney even thinks that films like High School Musical and Narnia that are about guys are for girls,Jack Sparrow,Prince Caspian and Troy are marketed for girls,Pirates Of The Caribbean and Pixar films are also marketed for girls (Look at the WALL-E merchandise,Eve had pink merchandise for girls and WALL-E had blue merchandise for boys) so Disney now thinks that Disney and Pixar are only for little girls so it doesn't have anything to do with the Princess line,and even if Ariel will be out of the Princess they whould still market her for little girls,I also thought the same thing like you before about the gender but now I realised that it doesn't matter and Ariel is good being in the Princess line. The stickers sounds really lame and ugly it's a film for everyone and Disney should know that their films and characters are for everyone,all ages,genders and more. Thought before the line they were Little Mermaid stuff for little girls worse some of today's merchandise-Songs From The Sea was created for little girls acorrding to a text on the cover,there was an Ariel purse for little girls with tapes of the series and more. About the pictures-The first picture isn't pretty but the second picture is acutally great and Cindy looks on model (I think that Disney are using Cinderella too much by the way thought I really like her but still).
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Post by Random Prince on Dec 16, 2008 16:36:03 GMT -5
I was thinking how another more ethical way to capitalise on the female lead characters would be to use them to educate children about their respective homelands (or the ocean in Ariel's case) and also, in some cases, languages. For example, we could learn about France and how to speak a little French with Belle, China and Chinese with Mulan, and so on. I think that would be really fun and valuable for kids. About the pictures-The first picture isn't pretty but the second picture is acutally great and Cindy looks on model (I think that Disney are using Cinderella too much by the way thought I really like her but still). I wasn't talking so much about the picture as the fact that it says "Pretty Pretty Princess Cinderella"! That is such a huge insult to the people who worked on the movie and developed that character in the first place. There is a lot more to her than that after all!
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Post by tnadav1 on Dec 17, 2008 8:07:09 GMT -5
About the gender-Did you knew that they closed Toon Disney and made a new channel that has almost nothing to do with Disney because they think that High School Musical,Hannah Montana and Camp Rock are only for little girls?. About the Pretty Pretty Princess-It's a game and this is a Cinderella edition,they also have a Sleeping Beauty edition,the name is insulting both Aurora and Cinderella thought. And most of the cliparts are okay.
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Post by pokeria1 on Dec 17, 2008 17:40:17 GMT -5
I don't think that the line will ever (And why end it? it's about Ariel and other Disney female heroes and their films) But that's exactly the problem I have with the Disney Princesses franchise. It's not really about those amazing Disney characters. It just exploits them to make money. Yes. I completely agree. I mean, I have had way too much experience as to how people all over the world (especially Anime in Japan) have depicted females in this manner. Not to mention it's also causing the Bulimia and Anorexia problem to grow even worse than before. Yes, that much I can agree with (And those qualities, as well as how she reacted in "Princess vs. Princess", is also the reason why I am devoted to trying to bring back Misty onto pokemon, as well as trying to destroy sexism.). I mean, If we must keep the Disney franchise, we should at least try and show their personalities. I agree, I have hated that as well (And it's not just the Disney Princesses. Virtually every single media today has depicted women in such a fashion, and also made Bulimia and Anorexia even more present, And, HECK, even real human beings have also expanded upon the growth of it like a Virus [like Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, and a few others!!!].). It also reminds me of what my Health class taught us about Bulimia and Anorexia (some of it's sources.), as well as the Girls in the Pokemon Episode "Princess Vs. Princess", how that girl in Foxtrot learned how to swear after watching "Jersey Spaniel" (eg, Jerry Springer), Playboy, Love Hina, all of those things. I want those things to be eliminated, or at least changed in such a way that they no longer do some discrimination/bad role modeling on our generations. I agree. I mean, just because a girl graces the cover of said movie doesn't mean it's a chick flick/chick game! I mean, look at the metroid series, for example. The main Protagonist of that series was a female, and that series was mostly a guys game. Yes, I know. I mean, it's bad enough that people are most likely going to call it a "Baby Movie" among other things (Believe me, there are people who delight in that. I mean, in "Arthur", for example, a running scene in the series is the titular character calling what his sister is watching [Mary Moo Cow] a "Baby Show", and in one case, called what she was reading [Hopalog the Frog] a "Baby Book" (The latter of which was also his first book, as he said in the ending), Heck, he also had to deal with a similar thing in one episode when he was watching "Love Ducks", and most of the kids, despite also having watched it fairly recently instead of "Dark Bunny", were also mocking Arthur as a result! Heck, this fear of being called a Baby is the exact reason why I grew fearful of rewatching many things I enjoyed in my life!) Now, I do have a proposition for all of us. I suggest that this summer, we storm the Walt Disney Company like a cloud of locusts, and get the executives to hold a meeting with us declaring that we must stop their using their Princess Products in such a way that makes them and girls around them become Grimhilde clones! Now, if you think my plan is flawed, fine, but we need to nip this global problem in the bud before it grows worse. I've also dealt with some people on some of my other sites who view me as being similar to Sigma [in other words, being insane and my existance being similar to a virus] and ridicule and bash me wherever I go because of my views (mainly on BMGf, and SPPf), and some people in my group have even stabbed me in the back. Anyways, that's all for now.
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Shotty
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All hail Queen Ariel.
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Post by Shotty on Dec 19, 2008 15:44:34 GMT -5
Princess is just another title of who Ariel is... I just don't seem to understand why Disney is doing this to their own characters...don't they understand that people have fell more in love with the original Disney Princesses? I seriously don't like the new disney, I want the older disney to come back and I want for Ariel and each disney princess alike to be appreiciated for who they REALLY are!!! Not this new age stuff-I'm sure these little girls these days that are into the Disney princesses would love the classic princess style- cause even into adulthood, I'm still as much in love with Ariel as I was when I was just a toddler and into childhood.
Yes. I completely agree. I mean, I have had way too much experience as to how people all over the world (especially Anime in Japan) have depicted females in this manner. Not to mention it's also causing the Bulimia and Anorexia problem to grow even worse than before. Because even today, the bigger sized girls are looked as nasty. So in order to be beatufiul, you need to look skinny with makeup and have the newest trend clothes. The disney princesses just prade around in whatever colored dresses, wear makeup, and always have a prince. So if your not like that, the media pretty much says your ugly.
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Post by pokeria1 on Dec 19, 2008 19:47:41 GMT -5
Princess is just another title of who Ariel is... I just don't seem to understand why Disney is doing this to their own characters...don't they understand that people have fell more in love with the original Disney Princesses? I seriously don't like the new disney, I want the older disney to come back and I want for Ariel and each disney princess alike to be appreiciated for who they REALLY are!!! Not this new age stuff-I'm sure these little girls these days that are into the Disney princesses would love the classic princess style- cause even into adulthood, I'm still as much in love with Ariel as I was when I was just a toddler and into childhood. Yeah, I know. A bit sad that they kinda opted for the ol' "Sex Sells" marketing campaign, eh? Err, yeah, no offense, but I'm a male (and straight, not to mention), so could you please not imply I'm female. I do agree with you, though. I do find that somewhat angering (though, there have been worse beliefs. I mean, some medias don't just envision women as being skinny, but also as being big-chested at the exact same time as well. I mean, That's.... disturbing, bad, and sick, and that's coming from a heterosexual male.). I know of far worse examples in this world than the Disney Princess franchise [not that they aren't bad influences and redesigns for how females should act, mind you] (Like Love Hina, Negima, Witchblade, Playboy, the girls in the Pokemon episode Princess vs. Princess, Girls Gone Wild, and several others.).
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Post by Shotty on Dec 21, 2008 14:33:18 GMT -5
I wasn't nessicarily implying that you were female. Sorry if you took it that way. I just meant "you" in general for all females.
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Post by tnadav1 on Dec 21, 2008 14:51:31 GMT -5
Princess is just another title of who Ariel is... I just don't seem to understand why Disney is doing this to their own characters...don't they understand that people have fell more in love with the original Disney Princesses? I seriously don't like the new disney, I want the older disney to come back and I want for Ariel and each disney princess alike to be appreiciated for who they REALLY are!!! Not this new age stuff-I'm sure these little girls these days that are into the Disney princesses would love the classic princess style- cause even into adulthood, I'm still as much in love with Ariel as I was when I was just a toddler and into childhood.
Yes. I completely agree. I mean, I have had way too much experience as to how people all over the world (especially Anime in Japan) have depicted females in this manner. Not to mention it's also causing the Bulimia and Anorexia problem to grow even worse than before. Because even today, the bigger sized girls are looked as nasty. So in order to be beatufiul, you need to look skinny with makeup and have the newest trend clothes. The disney princesses just prade around in whatever colored dresses, wear makeup, and always have a prince. So if your not like that, the media pretty much says your ugly. I disagree with you about some things,I like the new cliparts and think it's great but about the gender thing,again,it's not only Princesses AT ALL and it's also used to be before that (I saw a commercials but Beauty And The Beast games,they said that the game about Belle is for girls and the game about The Beast is for boys! this is very wrong!) but I agree about the gender.
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Post by DanTheMan on Dec 31, 2008 18:41:15 GMT -5
I highly doubt that the Fairies will replace the Princesses, just based on the fact that the Princesses have been around for a very long time, and are already developed. The Fairies haven't had the time to be developed, heck, the only one I know about is Tinkerbell, and that's because she was in Peter Pan. So, I don't think you should worry about that. However, like a lot of other people in this thread, I agree with how this line has changed some of the characters of the Princesses. They make Ariel act like she's always been this 'girly' character, however, as we all know she is NOT really like that. Also, basically, this line is holding back TLM and the rest of it's characters. From my experience, since I work in retail, Ariel sells more than all of the other Princesses. She would do better standing out by herself, instead of just packed in with the other Princesses. Of course, this is Disney after all
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Post by tnadav1 on Jan 18, 2009 8:33:42 GMT -5
Maybe when the Fairies will get more time they"ll be as sucessful as the Princesses. And I think that Ariel should be in the line. Anyway according to the Disney 2008 Annual Report,they"re planning huge promotion for the Princesses in 2009 espically because of the 10th anniversary of the Princess line,and the line will have huge speical promotions for Snow White (Because of her film's Platinum Edition on DVD and Blu-Ray) and Tiana (For the release of her film). There's isn't much about the Fairies thought,so maybe this means that the Princesses will get more promotion and the Fairies are alternative.
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Post by Jazzy on Jan 18, 2009 12:52:23 GMT -5
The characters in the movies don't even act like Princesses (except for Aurora, which is weird considering she doesn't want to be one). They are fun, adventurous, hard working, strong and intelligent. They teach kids that being a good person is more important than looking beautiful on the outside. I have never thought about this until now, but you are exactly right. It is interesting all of you bringing up how the Princess line is pretty much a pre cursor to the stuff women see in magazines and Hollywood. It's all basically teaching us that all women have to do is sit and look pretty. I like you all talking about how the Disney Princess line neglects to include the individuality of the characters. You all have some great ideas. I think Disney should focus more on each characters personality and use that as a selling point. From the website stand point they could definitely do that. For example Ariel is a collector and an explorer. On Ariel's page they could put different hings Ariel collects and give people ideas and how to start their own collection. They could also have little scavenger hunts since Ariel likes to explore. Maybe each day they could list a thing you should go out and see maybe go look for a pond or field and find something there to add to your collection. For Belle they could have a book list and a part where you can color a picture about what your book was about and it could put on Belle's page etc. These are just rough ideas.... I think this would be a good idea it encourages children or us adults (hehe) to explore our interests and personalities. It gives people a sense of purpose and having their favorite characters inspire them it couldn't be better.
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Post by ariel101 on Jan 18, 2009 14:51:57 GMT -5
I argree with Jazzy. All the princess line is like Hollywood and everything. They want girls to be all fancy. Also another thing I argree with is that they should start doing more stuff with the princess for each one. Like more Ariel, Belle and Jasmine. You never raley see them in new Disney stuff or with the princess. Its all Cinderalla and Sleeping Beauty.
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Post by Random Prince on Jan 18, 2009 15:35:17 GMT -5
I love your ideas Steph! I especially agree with this... I think this would be a good idea it encourages children or us adults (hehe) to explore our interests and personalities. It gives people a sense of purpose and having their favorite characters inspire them it couldn't be better.
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Post by tnadav1 on Jan 19, 2009 9:01:45 GMT -5
Althought I think your ideas about Ariel and Belle are great Jazzy I don't think the lines makes them out of their characters,also about what you said-In Enchanted Tales Aurora and Jasmine teach about responsibilty,perseverance and more,also each Princess got special promotions-Ariel promotes keeping the oceans for her film's Platinum Edition and Ariel's Beginning,Aurora promots forest fires prevention for her film's Platinum Edition and Cinderella promots road safety for her film's Platinum Edition. ariel101-That's REALLY not true,they mostly promots Aurora,Cinderella,Belle and Ariel,even more then Snow White. Cinderella is the line's icon her since her Platinum Edition was released and more with Cindy III,Aurora's seems to replace her now and be the line's icon since Enchanted Tales and her film's Platinum Edition were released and it's usually Cinderella,Aurora and Belle almost everywhere,I think that Snow White might be the line's icon when her film's Platinum Edition will be released. Ariel is one of the Princesses that gets the most attention,Disney actually said that she and Cinderella are the most favorite Princesses in the US.
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Post by Jazzy on Jan 19, 2009 15:36:51 GMT -5
Althought I think your ideas about Ariel and Belle are great Jazzy I don't think the lines makes them out of their characters,also about what you said-In Enchanted Tales Aurora and Jasmine teach about responsibilty,perseverance and more,also each Princess got special promotions-Ariel promotes keeping the oceans for her film's Platinum Edition and Ariel's Beginning,Aurora promots forest fires prevention for her film's Platinum Edition and Cinderella promots road safety for her film's Platinum Edition. That maybe true, but that is only a tiny fraction of anything. That has nothing to do with their personality just their location Aurora...forest.....Ariel sea. It is a small attempt but it is not enough and telling a people to protect the earth isn't the only good thing people can do. I'm not suggesting they teach kids to do the right thing that is beside the point. I think each Princess has their own individual personality that a child can identify with. I am saying they should market Princesses by their personalities and their interests so it would encourage children to explore themselves, try new things, develop skills, and etc. I am basically suggesting is make the Princesses role models not just like Barbie where you look pretty and you get whatever you want.
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Post by DanTheMan on Jan 23, 2009 1:30:56 GMT -5
I agree, Disney should be captializing on each Princesses personally, instead of making them all the same, a generic....well....Princess. Kids could then possibly see which Princess they're more related to, which would probably make them love the line even more then they do now.
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Post by tnadav1 on Feb 10, 2009 13:47:38 GMT -5
Althought I think your ideas about Ariel and Belle are great Jazzy I don't think the lines makes them out of their characters,also about what you said-In Enchanted Tales Aurora and Jasmine teach about responsibilty,perseverance and more,also each Princess got special promotions-Ariel promotes keeping the oceans for her film's Platinum Edition and Ariel's Beginning,Aurora promots forest fires prevention for her film's Platinum Edition and Cinderella promots road safety for her film's Platinum Edition. That maybe true, but that is only a tiny fraction of anything. That has nothing to do with their personality just their location Aurora...forest.....Ariel sea. It is a small attempt but it is not enough and telling a people to protect the earth isn't the only good thing people can do. I'm not suggesting they teach kids to do the right thing that is beside the point. I think each Princess has their own individual personality that a child can identify with. I am saying they should market Princesses by their personalities and their interests so it would encourage children to explore themselves, try new things, develop skills, and etc. I am basically suggesting is make the Princesses role models not just like Barbie where you look pretty and you get whatever you want. The thing is that little girls don't care about the Princesses's movies or personalities,they just care about the Princesses's dresses (Like Cinderella,Aurora and Belle have the prettiest dresses so that's why they"re so popular,Ariel is a mermaid so she's popular too),they"re not like us,real fans that knows the Princesses and their characters (Like every little girl I know and saw don't even know Ariel's name,they just know that she's The Little Mermaid and nothing beyond it) and that's why Disney focuse about things like dresses and jewels insted of their personalities. I agree it's bad and Disney should do something about it. But they also teach things like perseverance,honesty and kindness in Enchanted Tales and there's thos Princesses with horses stuff. I"m not sure if Disney should make them role models because it can ruin the Princesses but if do they should focuse about exploring and having adventures insted of looking pretty and get what you want like Barbie. They can focuse on things like exploring or singing with Ariel,helping animales with Giselle,material arts with Mulan,dancing with Aurora and etc. like Random Prince said insted of dresses. Also I read that some people think that the Fairies are "rivals" to the Princesses that I think it's dumb and not true,the Fairies are alternative to the Princesses,they"re supporting each other and are together,there's no competition here.
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Post by tnadav1 on Feb 15, 2009 6:07:27 GMT -5
And many of you should see Enchanted Tales,in Jasmine's she doesn't want to do things like going in camel shows or posing for portaits but she wants something challenging and do importents things,she tries to be a teacher but doesn't and she even tries to ride a dangerous horse that no one exept her mother could ride,here's a song:
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Post by fathomsbelow on Apr 17, 2009 14:45:19 GMT -5
This might sounds silly but... I"m worried about the Princesses,it's like the Fairies are trying to replace them,the Princesses always got lots attention (Or most of the attention) but now they got less attention and the Fairies gets more attention. First Ariel got kicked out of her grotto and the Fairies now have Pixie Hollow there insted and now the Sleeping Beauty Platinum Edition got less promotion then TinkerBell (TinkerBell gots lots of promotion and merchandise,Sleeping Beauty got less,for exmaple they didn't even made a Sleeping Beauty DS game but TinkerBell did got a DS game,thought they did made Princesses games for Enchanted Tales). I like TinkerBell and the Fairies line and (I think that TinkerBell is my favorite Disney character who isn't a Princess) but I"m worried about the Princesses and thought now the Fairies are making their debut and next year they"re having promotion for both Snow White Platinum Edition and The Princess And The Frog and Ariel will have a new atterction in the Disney parks but still. What do you think?. I'm pretty worried too. I got mad when they got rid of Ariel's Grotto for Tinkerbell. I mean--Tinkerbell?! Come on..I'd rather see Ariel than a fairy. I mean, she's okay I guess, but I like Ariel better. I didn't think the movie was all that ::shrugs:: At least she still has her grotto in WDW. I need to go back and see it, since I didn't the last time I went. What's this about a new attraction? Oh, and I like the new princess site too. I like the new wallpaper There's loads of printouts, too.
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