Location of Atlantica

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Hello all

It has always struck me where in the world TLM actually takes place. Most of the evidence suggests Denmark, which to me Seems very likely, or there's a chance it might have been a more tropical European coastline such as Portugal or Spain. Eric's township to me looks very Danish/Northern European

As for Atlantica, Well, recently I was watching Return To The Sea (despite the general criticism, I personally like it very much) And paid particular attention to the " ice map" (image here: i.imgur.com/8muXNr0.png)  Morgana gives Melody early in the film. It's more than likely Morgana's lair is located somewhere in the  northern Arctic/Greenland, so just looking at the map you can see Altantica is directly below it, to some distance. Remember in the series the episode "Resigned To It", where Tritons kingdom is nearly attacked by a red tide; and at one point he holds a map pinpointing the location of Atlantica?   img here: i.imgur.com/GD55vZG.png 

based on these maps, the assumption that ATLANTICa indicates the Atlantic;  I would say this would be Atlantica's location:  i.imgur.com/c7UmhwE.jpg

this also gives reason for why Sebastian a Carribean crab would appear in the story; this area gives access to the entire atlantic ocean

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Kind of odd though...Since Erics kingdom seems to be extremely close to atlantica

[yougottaloveariel]

Well this has been a debate for sometime

And hare a few more based on all the media versions of the Disney film

Denmark itself is surrounded by islands

Denmark has a series of islands known as Faroe Islands between Europe and Iceland diangonally

Iceland once a Danish territory would explain snow scenes in LM 2 buit no penguins there

and lastly

The US Virgin Islands

One time known as Danish indies or West Indies located not far from Cuba ,Fla ,Jamacia Would explain flamingos storks and is
closer to Antartica

Also near Sargasso Sea


Basically for all purposes the kingdom are fairy tale

[yougottaloveariel]

And what would Ariel find in a T.A.R.D.I.S ? boggles the mind

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a space dinglehopper?

[princessariel96]

Hey princedaniel, great research done there! Things like these always fascinate me a lot! Not that I want to contradict or challenge any part of your post(s), just want to express ideas that 'brainstormed' me as I read through your's & yougottaloveariel's conversation.

MY THEORY

I'll be using this combination of 3 pics (shown above) – 1) Your world map + 2) An ancient Roman World map dating back to the 15th century [Source = www.democraticvistas.net/index.php?title=File:Ancient_World_Map_1565.jpg] + 3) A French version of the 18th century world map [Source = www.cea-ace.ca/education-canada/article/l%E2%80%99apport-des-mus%C3%A9es-dans-l%E2%80%99enseignement-des-sciences]. Further, I’ve pinpointed where, in my opinion, the Kingdom of Atlantica is located on maps 2 & 3. Just another important point to note that I’ve considered both the mainland of Denmark & Greenland as a single Danish entity and that Atlantica is somewhere in the middle of these 2 geographical landmarks.

Below is my brief comment/explanation regarding Atlantica’s approximate location –

• Map #2 dates back to 1565, it appears that Greenland was a part of North America back then – now this doesn't mean that TLM is American because you can often catch glimpses of the European culture scattered in the movie (like, if you closely observe the marketplace toured by Ariel & Eric) – so, all I’m trying to tell is that TLM did occur much before both WW1 & WW2.

• Map #3 dates back to 1855 (which coincidentally is about the same time that Sir Hans Christian Andersen penned his version of “The Little Mermaid”). Recall that though Prince Eric’s castle (as per the movie) is located on the shore, when Ursula turns Ariel into a human, Flounder & Sebastian ride her across the ocean, and yes, they do travel quite a long way to reach the coast because when Ariel first breaks the ocean surface as a human, you cannot see Prince Eric’s castle anywhere close-by. Again, I know this whole instance occurs at Ursula’s Lair (which is pretty far away from Atlantica), but that can be challenged – remember, when Melody, Tip & Dash escape with the trident in their possession (in TLM II), she realises that Atlantica was, in fact, never far from her home on land after all.


So, having said that, I think this gives proof enough to say that both maps – the ‘ice-carved’ one that Morgana gives Melody & the one that King Triton holds in the series episode ‘Resigned To It’ – explaining Atlantica’s location are perfectly drawn out! Sorry if this was boring but do type in your feedback to let me know what you think of my viewpoint.

[merprincess]

So many clever theories! I always imagined it to be somewhere in the Mediterranean (Greece, Turkey, Italy), with references to the Caspian Sea and whatnot, but your theories seem definitely a lot more grounded than my wild guess. Also, see my profile pic for what Ariel might do with a TARDIS! It's a collage of pics, with the one on the bottom left being "Part of Every World" by Karen Hallion. Ariel is meeting The Doctor (can't really see who it is, I think it's 10) with his TARDIS taking a trip under the sea

[princessariel96]

Feb 9, 2015 22:59:45 GMT -5 merprincess said:

So many clever theories! I always imagined it to be somewhere in the Mediterranean (Greece, Turkey, Italy), with references to the Caspian Sea and whatnot, but your theories seem definitely a lot more grounded than my wild guess. Also, see my profile pic for what Ariel might do with a TARDIS! It's a collage of pics, with the one on the bottom left being "Part of Every World" by Karen Hallion. Ariel is meeting The Doctor (can't really see who it is, I think it's 10) with his TARDIS taking a trip under the sea

Yes, your (profile) avatar is pretty interesting! 

[merprincess]

According to this video from the official Disney Princess YouTube channel, it's confirmed that Atlantica is in the Mediterranean and Eric's kingdom is somewhere in Italy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIVPIgiWDUQ

What do we all think of this? Also, anyone want to try to narrow it down further as to where in Italy and where in the Mediterranean the locations might be?

[buckmana]

According to the Mysterious Cities of Gold:

Atlantis existed on the edge of the Atlantic Ocean.

In Tomb Raider I (original, not remake), Atlantis is implied to be close to the edge of Egypt, since the one part of it that remains is travelled to from that location.


Whether Atlantis has any connection to Atlantica is unknown.

[yougottaloveariel]

Yes stated that on a previously recent post The FACT that the Disney company shows this kind of support AND Suggesting Ariel COULD BE A SCIENTIST...…………………………………………………


wow If were gonna go by this would say the extreme bottom of country for Eric Atlantic probably the center of Mediterranean


Still lean towards Indies or Iceland or simply generic fairy tale location

[buckmana]

Well, I was thinking if the Atlanticans had any connection to Atlantis, it would be like Kida in the Disney Atlantis movie, that they'd forgotten all their science due to the bad memories associated with it and a once brilliant civilisation has been reduced to warriors, hunters, gatherers and naturopath healers.
Basically, existing on a small percentage of their once vast knowledge.



Now for some really convoluted Fanon concepts:

The Fathom comic states that the underwater race that exists in the series once shared their ancient knowledge with the Atlanteans and somehow, that gift brought about the destruction of Atlantis+the extinction of their culture/people.
The speciality of the the underwater race was genetic engineering, they could take the DNA of any existing creature and use it to make new lifeforms or incorporate that DNA into existing lifeforms.

In Tomb Raider I (original), the Atlanteans had the power of genetic engineering, so to connect that to Fathom, that was the knowledge shared.
In the game, one of the Atlantean Leaders used this power to create an army of mindless monsters to kill the other two leaders so she would be the only ruler and to eliminate those Atlanteans she determined to be "weak and worthless".

In Cities of Gold, the Atlantean energy weapons match the same kind of energy beam used by the Fathom underwater race, so they shared their weapons technology as well.
Leading to the superweapon that destroyed Heva. The underwater race had a similar superweapon, but they never used it or even created it.


Now if we want to take this theory to it's conclusion in Little Mermaid, once their continent sank, the remaining Atlanteans had to find a way to live underwater and so used the genetic technology to convert themselves into mermaids.
And they had a few power relics that they forgot how to forge again, like the Trident, etc.
So by Ariel's time, all you've got is a simple agrarian society living underwater who don't remember all that they were before.

[veu]

Jun 12, 2019 16:17:17 GMT -5 merprincess said:

According to this video from the official Disney Princess YouTube channel, it's confirmed that Atlantica is in the Mediterranean and Eric's kingdom is somewhere in Italy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIVPIgiWDUQ

What do we all think of this? Also, anyone want to try to narrow it down further as to where in Italy and where in the Mediterranean the locations might be?

Also for the attraction on the Parks, producers claims that The Little Mermaid is located in Italy.

The fairy tale from Andersen seems located in Italy. The Denmark is the country where there are the statue of Little Mermaid, but the location of the classic fairy tale seems Italy, the Kingdom of the Prince in the original tale is a tipical italian country.
The dresses of Ariel and Eric wedding is british (Ariel wedding dress is based on Princess Diana dress, Eric wedding dress is based on British Royals from 1800).
The name are not italian (Eric is a name present in Italy but is typical a nordic name, Ariel is a jewish name), but the location is Italy.

[veu]

Italy is the location of Eric's kingdom.
Here a worker for The Walt Disney Company explain that The Little Mermaid is no set in the Principality of Monaco.

From Quora:

Why is Disney's The Little Mermaid set in Monaco?

1 Answer
David Mullich, worked at The Walt Disney Company
Answered Feb 18 2019 · Author has 18.8k answers and 30.2m answer views

The Little Mermaid is not set in Monaco. It is set under the Sea as well as on the land of a unnamed country.

The real-life Monaco’s gardens of Larvotto features a Little Mermaid statue sculpted by Christian Dalgard in 2000 as a gift from the Danish community to Sovereign Rainier III of Monaco on the jubilee of his reign.[1] But that’s the closest connection between The Little Mermaid and Monaco that I can find.

The original story of “The Little Mermaid” was written by Han Christian Andersen of Denmark, which is a good 850 miles from Monaco.

Footnotes

[1] Sculptures of Monaco: a walk along the Larvotto

[veu]

Another proof that The Little Mermaid takes place in the Mediterranean.

This photo was taken at the Hong Kong Disneyland Castle exhibit where it pinpoints the exact location of every princess. As you can see; the flower corresponding with Ariel isn’t in Denmark or anywhere near Denmark. It’s in the warm Mediterranean. Our Ariel seems to be right between France and Italy:

http://instagram.com/p/CH3O_YxBF2r

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http://instagram.com/p/CJERyQ6BAJn

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http://instagram.com/p/CMhs-_9B2pN

[veu]

In another official book, location is Italy!

http://instagram.com/p/CQ2W4b0DOjY

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http://instagram.com/p/CQ6tHe0Deoh

http://instagram.com/p/CQ3DS7Ej5qk

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http://instagram.com/p/CShO_FpLgLL