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Post by toons27 on Apr 9, 2009 2:45:51 GMT -5
TLM2 was really awful! It was awesome knowing that Ariel and Eric had a kid, but still, awful storyline, awful characters, and awful character development. I don't like how Ariel turned into her father and how Melody acted like her mom only dumber!
TLM3 was not that great either. I like the how you get to see Ariel interact with her sisters and see her mom. However, they did a bad job showing what happened to Athena. I can't tell whether she got killed or caught in the pirates fishnets. The storyline was awful b/c it had NO connection with the first movie at all. I hate how they changed Flounder's character. Athena's death should explain why Triton hates humans; NOT why he hates music! I hate how the prequel changed the order of the sisters and a few of thier personalities!
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Post by buckmana on Apr 10, 2009 23:47:22 GMT -5
Hey, Buckmana, I just wanted to ask. Is continuity an important factor in regards to watching something? I'm asking because, personally, I'm not sure if I could count AB as canon, regardless of whether it was made by disney or not, mainly due to the huge continuity errors in trying to connect it with the first movie alone. Heck, I'm not sure if I could even like it. In my opinion, not really. I'm not the kind of person who will nitpick a movie apart. As long as it followed the "spirit of the franchise", I'm happy. Which is why I accepted Ariel's Beginning and not TLM2. Ariel's Beginning was more in line with the "spirit of the franchise", even though a lot of it was very far off. Also, the music and presence of Ariel was also a factor. In TLM2, these things are minimal at best. So, final decision (from my point of view), Ariel's Beginning was more TLM then TLM2. I hope that helps you out Pokeria.
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Post by Jazzy on Apr 11, 2009 12:57:08 GMT -5
I'm going to have to go with the sequel, and here is why... The sequel is totally wrong. I do not like the animation or that Ariel has this annoying daughter. However, I do like the music and some of the moments. Still I think it is completely wrong, so you are probably wondering why I chose it. It isn't believable and it isn't really touching Ariel's story in the original, so it doesn't do any harm. It's just one way of viewing how Ariel's life may have been afterwards.
The prequel on the other hand, though the animation was better ,it ruined Ariel's story for me. I don't mind the idea of Ariel's mother dying etc etc, but how they created this film it was done so poorly. The storyline was bland and boring. My main problem is it gave us the reasons for Ariel's story in TLM. Before I saw the film I liked the idea of it and the concept, except it was poorly executed and made me wish I hadn't ever watched it.
The whole prequel was kind of the last straw for me. It was Disney last chance to prove they could do something magical and memorable like they did for Ariel and TLM in 1989. I truly hope they never do a single new thing for Ariel, and leave her with the dignity she has left.
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Post by Random Prince on Apr 11, 2009 17:07:34 GMT -5
It's just one way of viewing how Ariel's life may have been afterwards. That's always been my philosophy when it comes to the sequels - it's just an idea of what could have happened next. Even that approach didn't help with TLM3. It just didn't make any sense at all. For some reason I don't find Melody so annoying any more. I still wouldn't go as far as saying I really like her as a character, but she's ok. I used to think she was an ungrateful brat - she lives in a palace, she hangs out with Sebastian, her mother is Ariel and she's still unhappy?! But when you think about it, feeling like there's something wrong with you and not being able to talk to anybody about it would be horrible, so I can't really blame her.
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Post by DanTheMan on Apr 11, 2009 21:59:59 GMT -5
The whole prequel was kind of the last straw for me. It was Disney last chance to prove they could do something magical and memorable like they did for Ariel and TLM in 1989. I truly hope they never do a single new thing for Ariel, and leave her with the dignity she has left. Well, this may or may not be true, but I heard they were redoing old Disney movies in 3D (like with BATB), so I guess they might mess around with that, if it's true.
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Post by Jazzy on Apr 15, 2009 0:19:19 GMT -5
If they made a 3D version of TLM that would be cool, but anything like...new...new storylines...etc....I'm so over it. lol
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Post by Prince of Bubbles on Apr 15, 2009 1:59:57 GMT -5
I have an awkward relationship with these 2 movies.
Let's start with the 3rd movie. I had such high hopes for this movie. Aside from the awesome animation, and the sisterly bonding, the plot was a total train wreck!
Now, the 2nd movie, I Definitely love the music. The animation, not so much. Character developments are just wrong.
Over all, I think TLM2 was a slightly better movie.
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Post by fathomsbelow on Apr 15, 2009 16:48:58 GMT -5
Ariel's Beginning, hands down. I think TLM2 murdered Ariel's personality and didn't give her a proper burial. I mean, she became her father. Don't get me started on what they did to Eric. And I'm not a Melody fan. I'm sorry to Tara Strong, but I might have liked Melody better if she had as beautiful a voice as her mother. The animation in TLM2 was completely dreadful, and I didn't like the songs at all.
Ariel's Beginning had a nice storyline, beautiful animation, and interesting characters( I LOVE Benjamin! ), but I had hoped they would have talked about how Ursula became the Sea Witch. It definitely explains a few things though: why Triton hates humans so much, and where Ariel got her voice from. I think this has to be the best Disney sequel or prequel I've ever seen. The songs were amazing: "I Remember" and "Athena's Song" were both beautiful, and it was great seeing the personalities of Ariel's sister. The thing I didn't like was the fact that they messed with the way Ariel and Flounder met, which was completely different in the series. I thought Flounder was hilarious and cute, even if they tweaked with his personality. I really regret not buying Ariel's Beginning on DVD when it came out.
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Post by Jazzy on Apr 16, 2009 0:41:44 GMT -5
I think this has to be the best Disney sequel or prequel I've ever seen. I'm curious to know what other Disney sequels you have seen, because personally I think TLM3 is definitely on the low end in my opinion. Out all the Disney sequels I have seen I'd have to say I like Peter Pan 2 is the best. If you haven't seen this one, try it out! It's fine if you still think TLM3 is the best I'm just curious. There were so many things about the prequel that just irked me. I feel like the Ariel's Beginning didn't even seem like a film. It seemed like a drawn out version of an episode of the series. I liked the series, but they were short and sweet and to the point. The prequel was concept that was poorly directed. I really can't pinpoint what is wrong with it, because I think it is a combination of many things. Toons27 said it pretty well though there wasn't any connection to the original film, so I didn't find it relatable whatsoever. Like Daniel, after the prequel the sequel and Melody seemed less and less annoying. This is the problem with people who are major fans of things we are such tough critics! I know something has to be spectacular for me to truly love it on the same level as the original film. I love Voyage of the TLM.. I love the TLM scene in Philharmagic and many things Disney World has done with Ariel. As far as films, current merchandise, new ventures with TLM as far as Broadway or Disney Princess stories about Ariel I just cannot connect with.
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Post by Marina Del Rey on May 10, 2009 20:29:11 GMT -5
The prequel, hands and fins down.
Granted, I'm biased. My niece is crazy about the prequel, questions I had were answered with it, I relate to a character... and Marina and Benjamin just made the movie for me.
The sequel was sad and repressive. Ariel wouldn't have become her father. She would have been better and smarter than that. Also, Max, being an ordinary dog what with some animals having human souls and some animals just being animals in the Little Mermaid universe, should have been dead by the time Melody was running around.
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Post by ariel7angel on Aug 27, 2009 10:56:09 GMT -5
I would have to say the 3rd one - b/c it was in the water and all of her sisters were in so you got to learn more about them!!! And she was a mermaid for the whole thing!!!
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Post by kissdgirl on Aug 31, 2009 15:26:46 GMT -5
The sequel of course (duh!!!) Ariel is the only Disney princess to have a child which makes her the best!!!
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Post by fathomsbelow on Sept 7, 2009 16:43:05 GMT -5
I think this has to be the best Disney sequel or prequel I've ever seen. I'm curious to know what other Disney sequels you have seen, because personally I think TLM3 is definitely on the low end in my opinion. Out all the Disney sequels I have seen I'd have to say I like Peter Pan 2 is the best. If you haven't seen this one, try it out! It's fine if you still think TLM3 is the best I'm just curious. There were so many things about the prequel that just irked me. I feel like the Ariel's Beginning didn't even seem like a film. It seemed like a drawn out version of an episode of the series. I liked the series, but they were short and sweet and to the point. The prequel was concept that was poorly directed. I really can't pinpoint what is wrong with it, because I think it is a combination of many things. Toons27 said it pretty well though there wasn't any connection to the original film, so I didn't find it relatable whatsoever. Like Daniel, after the prequel the sequel and Melody seemed less and less annoying. This is the problem with people who are major fans of things we are such tough critics! I know something has to be spectacular for me to truly love it on the same level as the original film. I love Voyage of the TLM.. I love the TLM scene in Philharmagic and many things Disney World has done with Ariel. As far as films, current merchandise, new ventures with TLM as far as Broadway or Disney Princess stories about Ariel I just cannot connect with. I have seen Return to Neverland, and it was good, but I'm not the hugest Peter Pan fan, after this extreme murder of his character at this RPG I'm at . I've also seen the Hunchback of Notre Dame 2, which I loathed, and the BATB sequel(s) as well. Most of the direct-to-video sequels have really bad animation and music, but I enjoyed Ariel's Beginning. I know that they messed up who the oldest of Triton's daughters was, and a whole lot of other things, but I liked it better than TLM2. They ruined Eric's character, as well as Ariel's to a degree, and the idea was rather unoriginal. I mean, I love the fact that they had a daughter, but they were basically imitating the first movie. Mermaid wants to be human to human wants to be mermaid. And the other thing I didn't like was that Melody didn't really have that big of a reason for wanting to become a mermaid. I know that she felt insecure and I understand that, but I think that Ariel had better justification for what she did--she loved Eric, and wanted to be with him. I'm not that much of a fan of the Princess stories myself, but I loved The Little Mermaid on Broadway. I went to see it last month before it closed and got to meet the leads ^^
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Post by Frodo on Sept 8, 2009 8:01:36 GMT -5
i think all the sequels i've seen kinda ruined the stories for me. especially pocahontas 2. bleah Out all the Disney sequels I have seen I'd have to say I like Peter Pan 2 is the best. this one, i think, tried to fix all the problems of the first one which was soooo far from the original story, to say the least. and that wasn't the only thing wrong with it. so yeah, peter pan 2 was kinda cute. (and a bit girlpowery ) plus i really like i'll try
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Post by kissdgirl on Sept 9, 2009 22:16:59 GMT -5
I've given it some thought and I've come to a conclusion, DON'T MESS WITH THE CLASSICS!!! These movies didn't really need sequels or prequels. Its not that they're bad movies but they weren't necessary.
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