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Post by miklc on Jan 7, 2009 16:23:30 GMT -5
For me it's a hard call what about everyone else? There are a variety of positive and negative aspects to these, which makes it difficult to choose which is better. At the release of AB I probably would have choosen that, but seen the little edits that RTTS (although alot could still be done), I'm now torn. So which will it be for yous, I will post my answer when I make a definit decision.  |
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Post by Random Prince on Jan 7, 2009 16:29:28 GMT -5
Sequel, no contest.  |
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Post by miklc on Jan 7, 2009 16:41:36 GMT -5
Sequel, no contest. Intresting So your not a big fan of AB then  |
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Post by arielfan22 on Jan 7, 2009 16:42:00 GMT -5
That is such a hard question...
Ariel's beginning is beautifully animated and I really like that it has the Ariel in it we loved.. For me it's this Ariel at least.. I don't like that it destroyed some story continuation from the Ariel-series (how Flounder and Ariel met)...
Ariel has her own song "I Remember" which is beautiful , in TLM 2 she doesn't have so nice songs.
However, TLM2 is not on par with the animation but it has some really great moments.. When Ariel changes back into a mermaid, the conversation before and after the party between Ariel and Melody, the beginning when Ariel shows Triton Melody etc.
I don't like that Melody is in the center although I like her, and I missed some heartwarming scenes when Ariel was carrying Sebastian on her hand or when Ariel cries and Flounder cries, too.. Ariel doesn't cry although her daughter has run away.
I guess I would choose Ariel's beginning which I saw now for the third time over TLM 2 which I watched too often to count it...
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Post by Frodo on Jan 7, 2009 17:31:07 GMT -5
prequel. That is such a hard question... Ariel's beginning is beautifully animated and I really like that it has the Ariel in it we loved.. For me it's this Ariel at least i agree with you. and i really hated TLM II. i hate the way it looks (even though they've reanimated some parts now and it's slightly better), i hate melody, i hate the sidekicks, the villain is lame, ariel is too old. i don'tike the music. NO NO NO |
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Post by ariel101 on Jan 7, 2009 17:42:48 GMT -5
I picked AB I think it is a great story about TLM. And knowing her mother and having Ariel's sisters in it more and learning all the new stuff for TLM. TLM 2 was soo not my fav. actually I hate it. Meldoy was annyoing but she was ok all she did was whinn. And I hate whinners. So it was an easy choice. It seem like a lot of people though chose AB. I am surpise.  |
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Post by Zavi on Jan 7, 2009 18:37:08 GMT -5
They tried much too hard with TLM3 to make it appeal to this generation's children. They failed miserably. About the time when the movie came out, I helped lead a Brownie/Junior Girl Scout event, and we watched it. The kids had the same opinions as we did about Flounder. I cringe when I get to the part where he raps...
The first five/ten minutes of that movie were good, though. If you get over the fact that Athena looks too much like Ariel, it's awesome. The animation is good throughout and TLM3 turned out fairly well, I think.
If TLM2 had been animated well throughout (you've got to admit that a few sequences were done quite well; I especially like the part where Ariel's singing while grabbing that anchor) and the major character flaws were fixed, TLM2 would've been good. I can believe that Ariel has changed because of motherhood, but not that much. She was proactive in the first movie and much too reactive in TLM2. And Eric was...just there. The story wasn't really about him, but it's weird to see the first prince that got some exposition just sit there and keep time throughout the movie.
My verdict: Ariel's Beginning, just because I love Athena too much. She had a lame death, but she was lovely for the five minutes that she had screen time.
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Post by ariel101 on Jan 7, 2009 19:02:42 GMT -5
They tried much too hard with TLM3 to make it appeal to this generation's children. They failed miserably. About the time when the movie came out, I helped lead a Brownie/Junior Girl Scout event, and we watched it. The kids had the same opinions as we did about Flounder. I cringe when I get to the part where he raps... The first five/ten minutes of that movie were good, though. If you get over the fact that Athena looks too much like Ariel, it's awesome. The animation is good throughout and TLM3 turned out fairly well, I think. If TLM2 had been animated well throughout (you've got to admit that a few sequences were done quite well; I especially like the part where Ariel's singing while grabbing that anchor) and the major character flaws were fixed, TLM2 would've been good. I can believe that Ariel has changed because of motherhood, but not that much. She was proactive in the first movie and much too reactive in TLM2. And Eric was...just there. The story wasn't really about him, but it's weird to see the first prince that got some exposition just sit there and keep time throughout the movie. My verdict: Ariel's Beginning, just because I love Athena too much. She had a lame death, but she was lovely for the five minutes that she had screen time. I argree with you. Flounder just made me soooo not like him he was gross. Hahaha!!!! It was his voice that got me and his rap. Everybody else had the same people do their voice. But Flounder he was a diffent voice. I didn't like him in the 3 one. :( |
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Post by Ariel on Jan 7, 2009 19:33:28 GMT -5
hard question i like both TLM2 and TLM3 I really like the animation and the song I Remember in TLM3. I love having Ursula Scuttle and Eric in the TLM2 And i like the songs. I picked TLM3 because i like having Ariel's mother in the Prequel.  |
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Post by toons27 on Jan 15, 2009 13:41:19 GMT -5
Hard question for me. I didn't enjoy TLM2 b/c Melody was annoying, some scenes were akward and cheesy. Ariel was overprotective, and Eric had no role. He and Ariel weren't as cool as they were in the first movie! I also, thought the plot was a rip-off of the first movie's plot. They should have done something more interesting like where Ursula comes back and tries to get revenge on Ariel, Eric, and Triton. Then, everybody learns a more detailed story about Ursula. For TLM3, I only liked the beginning, b/c Athena's death explains why Triton detests humans so much.however, I wish that they made the death scene graphic and scarier. The storyline was lame b/c it had no connection with the first movie! I also don't like how they changed the personalites of Ariel's sisters and Flounder. Marina was also lame just like Morgana. Those movies are a waste of paper and should be burned in the furnace!!!  |
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Post by Girls4ever on Jan 19, 2009 9:04:22 GMT -5
Prequel
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Post by toons27 on Mar 8, 2009 15:25:51 GMT -5
They tried much too hard with TLM3 to make it appeal to this generation's children. They failed miserably. About the time when the movie came out, I helped lead a Brownie/Junior Girl Scout event, and we watched it. The kids had the same opinions as we did about Flounder. I cringe when I get to the part where he raps... The first five/ten minutes of that movie were good, though. If you get over the fact that Athena looks too much like Ariel, it's awesome. The animation is good throughout and TLM3 turned out fairly well, I think. If TLM2 had been animated well throughout (you've got to admit that a few sequences were done quite well; I especially like the part where Ariel's singing while grabbing that anchor) and the major character flaws were fixed, TLM2 would've been good. I can believe that Ariel has changed because of motherhood, but not that much. She was proactive in the first movie and much too reactive in TLM2. And Eric was...just there. The story wasn't really about him, but it's weird to see the first prince that got some exposition just sit there and keep time throughout the movie. My verdict: Ariel's Beginning, just because I love Athena too much. She had a lame death, but she was lovely for the five minutes that she had screen time. I argree with you. Flounder just made me soooo not like him he was gross. Hahaha!!!! It was his voice that got me and his rap. Everybody else had the same people do their voice. But Flounder he was a diffent voice. I didn't like him in the 3 one. :( Flounder had a different voice b/c the dude who originally voiced him in the first movie is all grown up. |
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Post by tnadav1 on Mar 8, 2009 16:12:39 GMT -5
Definitely Ariel's Beginning!. That horror Little Mermaid II.... stupid story... awful characters... turning Ariel into an old hag with no shame....  worst cheapquel ever . |
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Post by pokeria1 on Mar 8, 2009 16:20:44 GMT -5
Well, My vote would have to go with TLM II, even though it gives me some bad memories.
I mean, I can at least admit that they tried to keep continuity in TLM II. AB, on the other hand, can't even make the prequel connect to the first movie. There were so many things that would have contradicted the first movie.
First off in our long list of continuity errors connecting the first movie, we have the so-called death of Athena. Now, if you remember in the first movie, King Triton's description of humanity ("They're harpoon wielding, fish-eating barbarians, Ariel") implies that Athena was most likely killed by harpoon, and that they probably enjoyed the occasion. However, that hint just went down the whirlpool and had the Pirates pretty much running over Athena, so to speak [it's not even explained as to whether they did it intentionally or not].).
Next, we have Flounder's persona. I won't argue about his VA, as they certainly couldn't just get his old VA (he'd sound nothing like the original movie anyways), but that did NOT mean that they had to rewrite his entire personality. Besides, the sudden change in personality was never explained or dealt with.
Ariel's fascination towards humanity's artifacts seemed non-existant. I mean, they don't even mention human artifacts even once in the movie, not to mention.
Ursula was NEVER covered in the movie [In fact, she wasn't even mentioned.], instead, we get Marina Del Ray, and she's automatically ruled out of being Ursula due to having been given a life sentence in prison. I mean, Ursula's banishment was one of the more heated debates. Heck, they also could have explained that necklace of her's as well, since that didn't seem like any normal necklace, and it's hinted in one scene that when Ursula transforms into Vanessa, she experiences a slight change in personality [Vanessa's song had Vanessa/Ursula throwing a pin at the mirror with such force that it knocked the mirror back [and possibly kill someone] with an almost psychotic grin].
The Sisters in the wrong order (Heck, they can't even get their own order right.)
Also, the ending has a few holes in it. I mean, Music was restored to Atlantica, but then, they have to wait a year for Ariel to even join a band?! In case you're wondering what I mean by that, in the first movie (to be exact, the second Musical number), it's implied by the sisters that the concert that Ariel kinda skipped out of was going to be her stage debut. I mean, considering how Ariel was pretty much the reason why Music is even back in Atlantica, they let her join the band, possibly even make her the band leader.
In TLM II, the only real plothole in regards to connections to the movie would probably have been the Grotto scene, and even THAT can be chalked off as being because Triton decided to rebuid the grotto (and besides, it's not like all of the items were destroyed.).
To me, the only thing that truly matters in a sequel or a prequel or even a midquel is having a good sense of continuity. meaning, either it's referenced, or at least one plausible explaination can be arranged by fans for why it seems inconsistant. In regards to this movie, even fans can't explain most of the plotholes.
Now, if Ariel somehow was transported into the past and history was changing as a result, that's one thing, but they didn't even use that.
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Post by josh89 on Mar 9, 2009 0:59:19 GMT -5
I like both tlm 2 and AB
But AB however was kind of confusing because if you really think about it what really happened to ariels mother because the music box was shown floating so maybe the pirates either took her or when her body sunk down the music box stood afloat but really think about it because in the epiosde of little mermaid when triton talks to urchin and flounder he says something about ariels mom told him to take good care of the girls and raise them well. Also I really didn't like flounder because they changed him and not in a good way. But what I like about AB is that you really get to know ariel sisters.
-TLM2 really wasn't a big fan of it. Like I know the meaning of the movie but they way how ariel handled things as a parent made her acted like her father. Just like melody was like her mother. Eric should have had a more big role in TLM2 I been I love TLM and everything about it but I think they could have done AB way much better I felt I was watching an episode
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Post by ana87 on Mar 9, 2009 14:35:36 GMT -5
I Liked both but I voted AB.
I liked how in tlm2 Ariel looked more mature but it was nice see her as she normally is in AB
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Post by pokeria1 on Mar 11, 2009 17:19:00 GMT -5
I Liked both but I voted AB. I liked how in tlm2 Ariel looked more mature but it was nice see her as she normally is in AB err... "normally is?" care to explain that? I mean, AB has one significant feature that isn't with her in the movie. That feature... is her complete fascination in the human world. I mean, in the original movie, and even in the TV series, she has had a pretty huge amount of fascination on humanity. Speaking of which, there's one other thing that was inconsistent between it and the first movie that I forgot to mention in my other posts, and that inconsistency was Scuttle, himself. I mean, not only have Scuttle and Ariel not even met in the movie (thus creating a bit of a plot hole in regards to her asking Scuttle for identification of a Pipe and a fork.), but Scuttle doesn't seem to have ANY human like qualities whatsoever (In fact, he acts more like what any seagull in real life would act, for the most part, thus making him AB's version of Max.). Actually, I also noticed that Ariel had not once visited the surface in this movie since she was a child on that day that Athena was killed, which creates another plothole (It was implied by Triton in the first movie that Ariel had visited the Surface at least once prior to Flounder mentioning Scuttle.). |
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Post by buckmana on Mar 20, 2009 19:38:51 GMT -5
The prequel.
I was never that interested in the sequel, not even to the point where I considered buying it for a second.
While not on the level of the original, the prequel was better then the sequel.
And in this case, I was actually motivated to buy the prequel.
It was nice to see Sebastian do something quite sneaky and cunning, when he leads Ariel to the "answer to all the problems". Nice to see him step up.
I loved the scenes with Marina Del Ray plotting and scheming all the time.
And that manatee was too funny!
At least I assume he was a manatee, dugongs are an australian marine mammal.
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Post by pokeria1 on Mar 21, 2009 13:04:22 GMT -5
Well, admittedly, I did try to watch AB, but I just couldn't watch it (All I did was watch the beginning, even then, I didn't use any sound).
I tried to watch the Sequel again, but I kinda got failed results due to memories flooding me (I WANT to watch the Sequel, especially the Special Edition, but I just can't due to memories.).
Hey, Buckmana, I just wanted to ask. Is continuity an important factor in regards to watching something?
I'm asking because, personally, I'm not sure if I could count AB as canon, regardless of whether it was made by disney or not, mainly due to the huge continuity errors in trying to connect it with the first movie alone. Heck, I'm not sure if I could even like it.
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Post by ana87 on Mar 24, 2009 13:09:20 GMT -5
oh, I know there are quite a few things that don't follow the first movie but when i said 'as she normally is' I'm thinking about the emotional feeling that Ab brings (at least to me) that is more close to the first movie than the one of the sequel
sorry if doesn't make sense lol
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