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Post by pokeria1 on Aug 18, 2009 5:21:41 GMT -5
...Ursula planned to do with the souls she stole from the Cursed Polyps?
I know that Ursula needed Triton so she can steal the Trident without a fight, and with it, the position of ruler of Atlantica/the Oceans, and it was implied that she didn't have any real need for Ariel to be cursed other than as a bargaining chip to ensure that Triton does exactly as she wants him to. But I still don't know about the other Merfolk's souls.
I'm asking because the film implies that she stole their souls after the deal is over and she turns them into Polyps (which seemed more like "Zombie Weed", for obvious reasons) to acquire their souls. They never explained her need for their souls, and I figure that some things just need to be explained when doing a plot element like this (I don't care if it's an entire subplot or just a single piece of dialogue, just as long as it explains it.). It's probably just as unexplained as why Ursula was banished (Then again, perhaps the Apollo episode did explain it) and why Ursula chose "Vanessa" as her alias when she could have picked any female/gender neutral name other than "Ariel".
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Post by PrinceAdam on Aug 21, 2009 8:32:59 GMT -5
Interesting question.
It's all open to interpretation, but here's my thoughts on the subject;
Ursula could be seen as the personification of the devil. Note the lyrics:
"Now it's happened once or twice, someone couldn't pay the price, and I'm afraid I had to rake them across the coals. Yes, I've had the odd complaint, but on the whole I've been a saint."
Once or twice - She lies here. Seeing so many worms in the floor, clearly we see its happened many times.
Rake them across the coals - A reference to hades?
On the whole I've been a saint - A wolf in sheep's clothing, enticing Ariel to make the deal, to ignore what she knows Ursula to be (Sea Witch) and to trust her.
Further on in the song we see the example of the overweight mermaid and the scrawny merman, who both made a deal with Ursula, and she gave them everything they wanted. However, when they could not meet the demand of cost and fulfill their end of the bargain, she turned them into worms.
As to the collection of their souls:
"And if he doesn't, you belong to ME"
I don't think Ursula needed souls, but what would a deal with the devil be without some kind of ultimate penalty to answer to after the deal was done? Gaston didn't have any use for the rack on the wall at the pub, but it was (I am assuming here) his kill and thus his trophy. Kind of the same principle here, Ursula's trophies are the merfolk's souls in the form of sea worms.
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Post by pokeria1 on Aug 21, 2009 12:03:46 GMT -5
Interesting question. It's all open to interpretation, but here's my thoughts on the subject; Ursula could be seen as the personification of the devil. Note the lyrics: "Now it's happened once or twice, someone couldn't pay the price, and I'm afraid I had to rake them across the coals. Yes, I've had the odd complaint, but on the whole I've been a saint." Once or twice - She lies here. Seeing so many worms in the floor, clearly we see its happened many times. Rake them across the coals - A reference to hades? On the whole I've been a saint - A wolf in sheep's clothing, enticing Ariel to make the deal, to ignore what she knows Ursula to be (Sea Witch) and to trust her. Further on in the song we see the example of the overweight mermaid and the scrawny merman, who both made a deal with Ursula, and she gave them everything they wanted. However, when they could not meet the demand of cost and fulfill their end of the bargain, she turned them into worms. As to the collection of their souls: "And if he doesn't, you belong to ME" I don't think Ursula needed souls, but what would a deal with the devil be without some kind of ultimate penalty to answer to after the deal was done? Gaston didn't have any use for the rack on the wall at the pub, but it was (I am assuming here) his kill and thus his trophy. Kind of the same principle here, Ursula's trophies are the merfolk's souls in the form of sea worms. Hmm, Ok. But I thought their souls had already been drained out by the time they became the so-called Zombie-weed, so the Zombie Weed (that is, Merpeople/Octopid/Eel-people/Sharkanian/whatever with their souls drained out) would be the trophies, and the souls would be used elsewhere. I mean, why keep the souls as solely trophies when the rotting husks of the soulless victims are good enough to serve that purpose, hypothetically speaking (seeing how the purpose of a trophy is to basically show them off)? I began to think that she may have also been planning to use them in a sacrifice, so to speak, to awaken some sort of ancient Demon or something (Certainly not Satan, but something similar.). Maybe Ursula was possessed by an essence of said demon to do her bidding (I mean, that certainly explains the Purple hue of her skin despite the implication in "Gotta Get My Wish" that her skin was originally Chatruse, and why she's capable of using that ability of hers. Plus, the Nautilus may in fact be the essence of said Demon [it certainly explains how the Nautilus seems to have several magical abilities, and it also explains why it briefly glowed as Ursula transformed into Vanessa.].). |
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Post by buckmana on Aug 31, 2009 10:37:19 GMT -5
Well, I've never believed this in real life, because I don't believe contracts binding you to evil can be upheld if you commit to good and step away from evil.
But this is how I think it works (at least in this context):
It's a common belief to take someone's soul is to steal their power. I'm assuming the more people Ursula trapped, the more powerful she became by drawing on their power. This would be supported by her weaker sister not really having much power at all.
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