Frozen 2! *SPOILERS INCLUDED, BEWARE!*

[merprincess]

I just saw it last night! If you've seen it, I'm curious to hear your thoughts!
NOTE: THIS WILL NOT BE A SPOILER-FREE THREAD! If you wish to keep it a surprise for when you see it, then click away! I can make a spoiler-free F2 thread if there is enough demand - just send me a message.
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I've been singing the songs all day, I really loved this film's soundtrack (dare I say more than the first film? I need to think about that some more). There were a few songs I didn't much care for, but every film or musical has a few songs you're gonna skip, it's inevitable. Though tbh I do think the story of the first film just sorta works better. I wish some of the backstory events that were established here were better set up in the first film. I feel like Frozen wasn't written with Frozen 2 in mind. But they did their best to make it work. For what it was, I enjoyed it. The emotions are heightened, the stakes are higher, the adventure and mystery are really captivating, and it's a little darker in tone and the colors of the film as well. One huge moment of comedic relief came from a character & song that I was NOT expecting! Most of all, I really love how Anna & Elsa's relationship has strengthened. They both trust each other a lot more and understand one another. It isn't perfect, as the story goes, but by the end they've learned even more about each other and the dynamic they play in each other's lives. That was really neat to see. Also Olaf is all over the place in this movie, I think this movie had me caring about him more than I had in anything else he's been in. The exposition was a bit too much for my taste - I wanted more "show don't tell", and while they did show a lot, they did tell a lot with the showing. Though I was able to predict the truth of the backstory involving the parents as it all unfolded (and believe me, I avoided just about every spoiler out there, but maybe I'm just getting better at predicting these things?) some of the events of the epilogue were completely unexpected for me. And to be quite honest, being a fan of The Little Mermaid was the reason I was able to predict Anna & Elsa's parents' backstory 😂you'll figure it out when you see it, trust me. I did appreciate how the backstory does essentially debunk some of the more bizarre Disney theories regarding Frozen and Tangled, The Little Mermaid, Tarzan, etc. I'm SO glad this movie pretty much shuts all of those down lol.
Was it better than the first film overall? I don't really have a definitive answer yet. I don't think the two are super comparable. F1 is set up like a musical, the beats are all moments a musical would have and while there is a grand adventure, it just all lends itself really well to being a musical. F2, while having some amazing songs, feels more like an adventure film first over a musical film. And while I love me some adventure, I personally prefer the structure that a musical film has, but that's just me. I do think this film was more character-driven than story-driven, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it wasn't what I was expecting. I think this one was geared more towards older kids, but still had plenty of moments little ones would enjoy. I don't know if it really hit that balance of working for all audiences at all times like the original did though, there were some moments that felt like they could be in the "Frozen Extras" like Frozen Fever, Olaf's Frozen Adventure, etc. While it was darker, I wish they would've just really gone for it in a few cases. Major bad things were done, which I really liked seeing, but then un-done by the end, and there wasn't a lot of consequence.

I feel like I need to watch it a couple more times to really pinpoint my thoughts. I did really enjoy it and hope to see it again and gain more insight. But I didn't get that initial feeling with the first film where I was immediately sold onto the Frozen train like, that feeling was so magical, and I didn't quite get that this time. Not to say it's a bad film, it's not! I'm just really iffy on a few things. But I will be listening and singing this new soundtrack, since at least that part immediately sold me.

[buckmana]

I've just seen this movie and it was fairly well designed/written.

It was super adorable to see more kiddy Elsa/Anna moments.
But in that scene, while we know Elsa doesn't feel the cold, shouldn't Anna be getting a little chilly?
I sort of started to see the reveal about their mother coming at this point, that she knew a little bit too much about the hidden Northerners then she was letting on, the kind of information you could only know if you happened to be one of them.......
This also explained why Elsa has powers, an act of mercy from their mother in saving their father was to reward them with an empowered child.

The nature of her powers seems inconsistent from the first movie though, it's implied that once Elsa generates an cold field of whatever kind (Olaf, Marshmallow, the forever winter), it's self sustaining without requiring further effort or concentration from Elsa.
Shown by the fact she didn't even notice Arendelle was freezing over or that Olaf had come alive in the first movie.

I also liked the scene where Anna is soothing Elsa to sleep, normally it's the elder sibling who does this with the younger one, so the inversion was interesting.

The scenes with Kristoff failing to propose and questioning his resolve, that didn't seem quite right for the movie, not sure why.
Granted, it's a big step, but I don't think he's the kindof guy who'd hesitate to pull out the ring and say marry me with no ceremony prelude etc.

It was interesting to see that there was no actual villian per se, despite all the danger and disasters, it's just about Elsa righting a wrong from long ago, with a lot of help from Anna.
Always did wonder what happened to their grandfather, who actually was the only true villian, did he simply grow old and die while imprisoned?
Or did the elementals hasten his departure from the mortal realm shortly after he murdered an unarmed man in cold blood?

The ending however, that's where I started to feel the movie was loosing it's cohesiveness.
I always imagined that Elsa and Anna would stay together until their end of their lives, so splitting them up didn't suit me well.
Also, I much prefer Anna as the fiesty princess co-ruling with her Queen sister then being the sole ruler.
So that ending disappointed me a lot.

That's why I'm uncertain if there should be a Frozen 3, if 2 starts to come apart a little, then perhaps it's best they end on a high note.
Also, I'm always hesitant when it comes to the third movie regardless, because that's usually the point the production crew has lost interest and they just rush out a substandard movie because they were ordered to, not because they want to.
In cases where those movies exceeded three, you can see the quality decline with each successive release.
So under those circumstances, they should only continue to make Frozen sequels if they can maintain the high level of quality they have so far.
And that means every sequel from now on has to be a theatrical release, if it's a Direct2DVD/digital, then they failed to keep their standards high.

Olaf's amateur dramatising was quite amusing, especially as he recaps the the entire plot of the first movie in something like 2 minutes.
And then does it again for an unseen audience about the second as the Easter egg after the credits roll (the audience is revealed to be Marshmallow and the Snowglies).
I wasn't expecting the Snowglies to be referenced in the main movie series, so a bonus surprise.

I was surprised by the memory spirit scene resolving, Elsa was talking like she was going to meet a new friend, but there was nobody there but a voice singing to get her into the memory chamber.
I thought there'd at least be a physical person or the semblance of one.

Also, I laughed a little about when Elsa's memories are being replayed and as she's passing the memory of Hans, she flicks him into powder, obviously dismissing him as inconsequential and irritating.

[yougottaloveariel]

WELL Got around to seeing the film today it was BETTER then I expected I was expecting a similar story ala tangled the series SOME similarities quest with main characters new ones added magic (well duh) BUT Differences YES

ANIMATION Possibly the best made by Disney old or new from simple shapes to facial expressions to texture to depth

SONGS             SADLY like first film OVERRATED  (Cept Sven's             CAN RELATE ALL TO WELL) Reindeer chorus was a nice touch

Songs in a Disney film have become the norm some better then others  OTHERS...…...


The first film should be praised for number one BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT

The sister relationship YES MANY SAW THIS IN THEIR REASONS FOR LIKING THIS FILM            ME               NUMBER ONE      others       number 5 AT BEST

The sequel DOES NOT disappoint there but other factors again the songs...…………………….. In any Musical the songs can ENHANCE or destroy film Show whatever ALSO NICE TO SEE THE FAN THEORIES

DEBUNKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Parents flawed as they were  WERE  NOT TERRIBLE etc etc

 ALSO ANYONE PICK UP THE "TECHNOLOGY" REFERENCES Hand Car /Railroad  Photography  Olaf's Gorilla knowledge

That would place the film in the 1840's or so     A map in film was shown  in Roman numerals got the 1800 part right
According to online it says 1840                  'cept Gorilias were NOT reconized as a speces till 1847 or so

To put it simply When Washington crossed the Delaware Gorilias were not catalouged yet Also When Francis Scott Key wrote the Star Spangled Banne none    President Harrison's death     Still none

With the exception of the Rescuer Sequel this is in actuality AN ORIGINAL Story and worth a look

As to Frozen Three...…..since ToyStory 4 was made    more then likely


  YES          Surprised Ms. Lara did not refer to the Water Horse's as elemental representation instead of...………………………………...


REMEMBER Little Mermaid is why this film exists AND SNOW WHITE THE REASON ANY OF THESE FILMS EXIST 

[buckmana]

The most unusual timeline anomaly was referencing Elsa being knowledgeable in fractal geometry which though the science existed in 1883, it was not named as such until 1975.
And it probably took that long to properly research the theories then, according to the notes, fractal research had begun in the 1700s, so it took like nearly 2 centuries to finally figure it all out and make a scientific field of it.

[merprincess]

Historical anachronisms in films like these are inevitable. Probably every Disney film set "once upon a time" in some era of the past isn't 100% historically accurate to that era, but it's not what we're expecting in fantasy films where magic is a real property integral to the world building.
I need to watch F2 again, but I haven't stopped listening and singing along to the music. If anything, the more I listen, the more I enjoy. Even the songs I didn't really care for initially, I've since really warmed up to and love to sing along to them.

From what I've been able to find, here's what we know about the time F1 & F2 take place in:

The time period for Frozen is set in July 1839. In the upper left-hand corner of the geographical map shown in Frozen Fever, it is suggested by a set of Roman numerals that the year in which Anna turned nineteen was 1840. (MDCCCXL is the exact numeral order.) Oaken's statement, "A real howler in July, yes?", confirms the month is set in July. This being said, given that Anna is eighteen as of the events of Frozen, it can be logically assumed that Frozen takes place in July 1839.

(from: disney.fandom.com/wiki/Arendelle)

also this video quiz with the cast confirms it, and shows the map with the Roman numerals as well. And they go on to explain why Frozen is given a specific year:


This all means Anna is now 21 and Elsa is now 24, it being 3 years later in Frozen 2. Frozen Fever happened nearly a year after the events first film, in spring of 1840 (Anna is turning 19). In Olaf's Frozen Adventure, it's stated that it's the first holiday season since the gates reopened, placing it in December 1839 (before Frozen Fever). I don't remember where it was stated, though I did find this article with one of the producers confirming it:
www.breakingnews.ie/showbiz/frozen-2-producer-explains-reason-for-three-year-time-jump-in-sequel-953985.html). It's pretty much confirmed that three years have passed since the events of the first Frozen. It now being autumn, Frozen 2 takes place in fall of 1842.

sidenote: it's refreshing having a young lead Disney princess/queen/heroine who is close to my age. As much as I can still relate to Ariel, I'm not 16 anymore. buuuuut neither is she with her sequel? Then again, Disney doesn't super regard TLM2 as canon, though from what I've been able to confirm in the character training for Ariel at the Disney Parks, the character performers who hang out with Ariel are expected to know about and relate to information from both her sequel and prequel, so in a way I guess the sequels are selectively canon? it's confusing lol. She doesn't really have an age anymore though, only "Young Adult", which makes sense given everything she's gone through. The musical has nixed the "I'm sixteen years old, I'm not a child anymore!" line in favor of "But I’m old enough to look after myself-", since most performers who play Ariel in a version of the show that isn't the Jr./school/youth version are probably not 16 anymore either. Sierra was 25-27 when she played Ariel on Broadway, Jodi was 26-27 when she recorded for Ariel, and the actresses who originated Anna and Elsa on Broadway are in their late 30s (not to mention Idina & Kristen being in their 40s and 30s, respectively, when recording for Elsa and Anna).

[yougottaloveariel]

Well the railroad has been validated with Lionel's train set    sorry I could not get a better image         There ARE a couple of them in various levels  INTERESTINGLY NO Handcar WHICH is in the film


Coincidently I pitched a Toy Story set to Lionel years ago                         THIS YEAR         AHEM in short

my idea was better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND   Ms' Knightly's opinion still resonates


DID ANYONE READ THE ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL FOR ANYTHING???

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