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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 21, 2009 17:00:33 GMT -5
Ah! Unfair! I haven't seen Mermaid once and you've seen it twice! LOL How cool for you! Seriously FRONT ROW. I have to confess if Sean was five feet away from me; then there would be nothing to stop me from pulling him into a Nancy/Edward kiss LOL XD I think Max of everyone would figure out what was going on, but sadly that dog has no real way to communicate. I've seen that video! I love those three! If they all got to meet each other fan-fic wise it would kick butt
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 21, 2009 17:32:47 GMT -5
Heh. My fanwank is that Jim is Ariel/Eric's very very distant decendent (on his mom's side of course).
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 21, 2009 21:09:14 GMT -5
LOL. I'd imagine this: Jim: So.... I'm some distant relative of your's? Eric: It appears that way Jim: Okay, do I call you Grandpa or something then? OH, a question for an upcoming cross-over fic that I'll be one of three writter's on. What it is is that Eric, Aladdin and Gaston all find out their half brothers, and have a common goal (can't say what it is since it would give some of the plot away ) But my question is this, A: How do you see Eric interacting with Gaston? I know Eric and Al would be peas in a pod. But I just would like a firm grasp on it. I know Eric would have been around a lot gruff butch men and not really be bothered by that. I think he'd get annoyed with the man's attitude towards woman, the ego, and the whole "thinking is a dangerous pastime" since we all know Eric is an over-thinker XD B: What kind of place would he have amongst those three? Eric isn't much schemer as the other two are. Eric does have something sad happen to him, so I dunno if it would clog his judgment or make his less patient. I think he'd be the one to try and keep the group functioning, but may at times come off as 'bossy' Am I on the right track? And does it make sense what I trying to say since I can't give a lot of details about the plot away? Cause this is kind of driving me crazy to think about. XD
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 21, 2009 23:43:20 GMT -5
First I have to say that I really can't buy Gaston as Eric and Al's half-brother. His build and facial features are so different. Eric and Al-yes, I could see that. Gaston-not so much.
Also I think Eric would have very little patience for Gaston's particular brand of self-involved narcissitic BS. There's a difference between being gruff and manly and being a jerk. Not to mention that post-movie Eric would likely be somewhat of a vegetarian and Gaston...yeah.
Frankly I'd really prefer it of Gaston were replaced with somebody else. Mozenwrath or John Smith maybe? But if you're cowriting you may not have a choice.
But to answer your second question I feel like Eric would be the level head guy most of the time. If however there was an intense situatiuon he could go into berserker kick-butt and take names mode (like in the storm and going after Ursula).
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Post by Zavi on Mar 22, 2009 14:11:05 GMT -5
Oooh, I hate that! I have so many questions and so many little things I want to point out, but I keep my mouth shut to avoid fic!spoilers.
Heh, that makes me want to see Eric go solar-surfing with Jimbo. Eric'd either be mortified or think it was the best thing since navy pants. Or both.
I think Eric has a long enough fuse that he could tolerate Gaston to an extent. It'd wear down pretty quickly, especially if Gaston's male chauvinism stood out. I, of course, don't need to tell you what'd happen if Eric heard Gaston making any comments about Ariel. I'd imagine he'd get pretty p***** off about Jasmine-comments, as he'd obviously respect Al. Any slander from Gaston would get Eric angry, but he wouldn't tolerate stuff against Jas or Ariel for obvious reasons.
As for question B, it all depends. Eric's full of contradictions and how he acts depends on the situation.
Overall, Eric's not a total schemer, but he'll definitely take time to think about the plans others are making and offer ideas accordingly. He can be indecisive when placed in a position of power, unless it has to do with something he's confident about (sailor-type stuff like manual labor, navigation, and travel). I'd just keep in mind that Eric's an observer, though he does tend to ignore his intuition in favor of what others think is right.
I think it'd be rare that he'd come off as bossy, but I can see it happening. If Eric knows he knows what he's doing--i.e. if the situation calls for any sailing knowledge--Eric'll do it, and do it right.
However, if anyone he loves in danger, Eric throws all plans out the window and acts purely out of intuition.
It depends on what the sad thing is. Prodding at Eric's weaknesses tends to make Eric doubt himself. I can see him less patient as well, although the effect would probably be subtle. Any more than that would come off as immature.
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 22, 2009 15:28:56 GMT -5
*Nods* I think if Eric is doubting himself for whatever reason it could put him on edge. He might be a bit jumpy or less inclined to voice his opinions. At the same time it would push him out of his fairly zen personality into being a little less patient with bickering or delays. It might not be immediately noticable, but it would affect him a lot.
Also IMO Eric's one of those people who'll take abuse, and take abuse, but eventually he will snap, and heaven help you if you're in his line of fire.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 23, 2009 0:50:28 GMT -5
*Nods* I think if Eric is doubting himself for whatever reason it could put him on edge. He might be a bit jumpy or less inclined to voice his opinions. At the same time it would push him out of his fairly zen personality into being a little less patient with bickering or delays. It might not be immediately noticable, but it would affect him a lot. Also IMO Eric's one of those people who'll take abuse, and take abuse, but eventually he will snap, and heaven help you if you're in his line of fire. I see that too, but what makes that difficult to work out is that he seemed to be around those sailors a lot. I don't see them as letting him get away with not just taking heat especially if he was around a guy like Captain Sayers. I see someone as wanting to take him under their wing. ::sings Mister I'll make a man out of yoooouuuu:: LOL
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 23, 2009 0:55:40 GMT -5
I'm not saying Eric couldn't take teasing or roughousing and stuff. Or even extreme "macho" behavior. It'd be more Gaston's moments of complete and utter arrogance and jerkitude that would bug him, if that makes any sense.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 23, 2009 1:07:05 GMT -5
Oh! Gotcha LOL Eric thinking: Just let it go. Just let it go. He's a just a big ape. A big stupid hairy ape! LOL
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 23, 2009 7:47:05 GMT -5
OMG! Eric and Gaston would SO be like Simon and Jayne!
"You're like a trained ape. Without the training!"
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 23, 2009 8:49:01 GMT -5
OMG! Eric and Gaston would SO be like Simon and Jayne! "You're like a trained ape. Without the training!" LOL! Where do you think I got the inspiration for that line?
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 23, 2009 10:14:29 GMT -5
That's a quote from Firefly, Simon re Jayne. The episode is "Jaynestown".
BTW is anybody else watching Joss's new show Dollhouse?
On Topic: I think there's sooo much crossover potential for Eric, familywise. I've actually had a lot of plotbunnies lately. I think I may do a series of short fics about it ,and depending on the responses, maybe I'll turn one or two into full-length stories. If anybody else feels like adding to the chaos it could just be an open thread for anyone to test out those kinds of ideas to see what sticks. What do you guys think?
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 23, 2009 18:03:30 GMT -5
No, I know that's where it's from. I was talking about the "Eric thinking" thing I typed before I might have to stop complaining about LM fanfiction after reading some for FireFly. One word: YIKES! I haven't seen the Doll House yet, but I really want too! I'd LOVE if you made a cross-over thread. Since there are a lot of cross overs in fanfiction, but a only a fraction are good.
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 23, 2009 19:40:40 GMT -5
Here's the Hulu link for Dollhouse. It has all the episodes except the very first one. www.hulu.com/search/dollhouse?sort_by=relevance&type=episodeAnd here's a link to the official music video for the opening theme. It has clips from all of the 6 episodes that have aired. www.activedollhouse.com/dollhouse-theme-song/Would it be okay if the crossover thread was only a place to test out scenes and shorter pieces-Longer ones would be probably be better off having a thread to themselves. Back to Eric: Movie or musical? Which one is your favorite?
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 23, 2009 22:14:33 GMT -5
Oh, I'll be sure to check it out Oh, and one thing, imho, should consist in the cross-over thread is to really encourage people to think about a character's thoughts and opinions, and not what YOU want them to do. Just so people can be prepared for criticism. Oh! I still haven't seen the musical ::weeps like a baby:: But from what I know of both; I like that Eric is more sailory in the movie, it puts him more into the Aladdin, Tarzan "Disney Hero" category rather than a "prince" imho. But I like that he has more exposure in the musical, even getting to sing to convey his thoughts more clearly. I think the songs for him are actually better than the ones for Ariel (not including POYW) ::sighs:: I want to see it badly.
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 23, 2009 23:00:10 GMT -5
I'm actually really torn. I like that Musical!Eric has more development and new songs. (ESPECIALLY One Step Closer) but his two big hero moments are cut and he's a bit more prince-y than in the movie.
I think Movie!Eric probably edges out as my favorite cause he's the original but I flove Musical!Eric too.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 23, 2009 23:33:41 GMT -5
It's funny to me. I know they were trying to make Ariel the "hero" in the musical, but I always saw the movie as a team effort really.
Example:
Ariel and the animals went to save Eric from being Ursula's zombie cabana boy.
Ariel yanked Ursula's hair so she didn't blast him into seaweed, while turning Flotsam and Jetsam into algae.
Flounder and Sebastian freeded him from the eels, otherwise he probably would have drown.
AND after Ariel rescued him and traded her voice for him it was only right that he SHOULD do something!
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 24, 2009 10:24:30 GMT -5
He tries in the musical, it just doesn't work very well. LOL. But yeah, I agree that it was a team effort.
SPOILERS Honestly I'd be okay with Ariel saving the day if Musical!Eric took a couple hits from the trident or something. I mean him coming in the ship does distract Ursula before she sends the ship away, but it's still kind of silly. Just my opinion.
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Post by Zavi on Mar 24, 2009 14:59:09 GMT -5
I haven't seen the show (-pout-), so it's hard to judge, but I really like what I've seen on YouTube. I know there was a video that cut out right as Eric said, "Pardon me, sir, but are you truly her father?" to Triton and I got SO mad. I feel like whatever he said after that would shed so much light on his character.
Grrr, if TLM ever tours in Boston, I'm dropping everything and going to see it.
I've got to say that I prefer movie!Eric, though. I felt it was a trademark of his character that he didn't feel ready for the job he was born into. I dunno how princely musical!Eric acts, but I'll always see him as more of a sailor.
Definitely. Fic-wise, it's a really good thing when Ariel and Eric are on an equal plane, although it's difficult to write sometimes. They're strengths and weaknesses differ, but in the end, they solve conflicts together. I think people make one character "weak" sometimes and it takes away from both of them. While I'm tweaking, I'm really trying to capture them both equally.
At first glance, it seems like Eric's being the stereotypical Disney prince in the movie, but Ariel already proved her worth by getting off her butt for what she wanted. If Eric didn't have his moment of glory, he would have had much less of an impact on the movie.
WickedElphie: I'll feel bad if I don't leave a thorough review for BSS, but I don't have time at the moment--I've read the latest section and I'll try to get to it soon! -sprints off to get work done-
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 24, 2009 17:31:09 GMT -5
IMO Movie!Eric had two big moments. The storm and stopping Ursula. And somehow BOTH were cut. *sigh*
*chants to self* Remember that the musical has "Her Voice", "One Step Closer, and "If Only". "Her Voice", "One Step Closer, and "If Only". "Her Voice", "One Step Closer, and "If Only"...
Okay. Annoyance partially subsided.
And Zavi, I look forward to your always insightful review.
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