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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 24, 2009 22:27:16 GMT -5
IMO Movie!Eric had two big moments. The storm and stopping Ursula. And somehow BOTH were cut. *sigh* *chants to self* Remember that the musical has "Her Voice", "One Step Closer, and "If Only". "Her Voice", "One Step Closer, and "If Only". "Her Voice", "One Step Closer, and "If Only"... Okay. Annoyance partially subsided. And Zavi, I look forward to your always insightful review. LOL! Well, I think they could have added a bit more to show how gutsy he could really get. It would have been also cool, like what Zavi pointed out, is that maybe add a song expressing that he didn't feel ready or right about becoming king. Sort of his 'riff raff street rat- I can go the distance' moment LOL Either way I NEED to see the show! LOL And I want to go when Sierra and Sean are on board! Zavi's reviews are always poignant Oh! random but I wish in the movie it would have shown a little more of what was going on in the boat when Ursula took Ariel under water. I love that Eric didn't have his 'princey' jacket on during the fight with Ursula. I can see him whipping it off and tossing it, only for it to land on Grimsby while the poor guy is trying to calm down the freaked out wedding guests. XD
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Post by Aquisha on Mar 24, 2009 22:55:39 GMT -5
I'm definitely movie Eric. I think that Eric in the movie is much more of a regular guy than the incarnation in the musical. I agree, I feel that before anything else, Eric considers himself a salt of the sea sailor and hardly ever as a prince. The movie captures that really well. Even though there were things in the musical ("One Step Closer" and the ending, which I won't ruin for you guys who haven't seen it) are beautiful additions to his character. I think that the muscial version adds the things that we miss in the movie. Like Frida said, it has a bit of those "Riff raff, street rat-Go the Distance" moments that we all wish Eric had in the first place! Just a little more fleshing out on his character would have been fanatastic (not that we all haven't picked up the slack!)
Ok, I just bought Three Fishers on my iTunes today and have played it a stupid amount of times. It's on repeat and I'm still not tired of it! Please, I am begging, please someone write an "Ariel/Eric separated by sea" story based loosely off of this song! If you've read my stuff you know; I don't usually do angsty and when I do it's pathetically pretentious! I'm just frustrated that I love the song so much and could never do a story based off of it any justice! The song just so beautiful and the fanvid made to it was very well done, though I'm not a fan of Treasure Planet or Pocahontas (they butchered my state history!). Ugh, Zavi, I blame you for this song having been the soundtrack to my life for the last 72 hours!
And I have a new topic for submission and strangely enough, it is a little angsty! It's something I've often wondered about and have wanted to explore: What do you think Ariel and Eric's first fight would be over? Would it be a tiff or a full out fight? How would they handle it? I know; the answers to these questions are based off of what the subject of the conflict would be, but therein lies the discussion!
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 24, 2009 23:48:54 GMT -5
Hmm...I think that Ariel and Eric would get along most of the time. I can see them having the occasional tiff, but IMO when they did fight it would get very heated.
I could see one early blowout maybe being over Ariel's tendency to pursue the things she wants and likes without necessarily considering how it affects the people around her VS Eric letting a lot of small things go because he's not good at confrontation and finally getting upset over something seemingly inconsequential that just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back.
I could see them both walking away angry and staying apart for a bit, but then they'd come back together having a heartfelt talk about the issues that caused the fight and make up.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 25, 2009 10:35:27 GMT -5
LOL, yeah I agree with Elphie. I think Eric would have a hard time trying to find a way of telling her his thoughts, at least in their early relationship. One of the reasons; it would be harder for him is maybe thinking that if he doesn't meet her expectations she'd want to go back to the sea. And I'd imagine Ariel would be p***** that it ever entered into his mind. She knew what she'd be leaving, and kind of take it as him thinking she was stupid and flighty. Another thing that drives me crazy about fanfics; when they write Ariel as wanting to go back to the ocean. I know she'd miss it at times, as anyone would with the place they grew up, but a big point of the movie is sometimes your heart leads you in places you just can't explain. PLUS Ariel wanted to be human before Eric, he was just the hawt nail in the coffin
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 25, 2009 19:57:58 GMT -5
LOL. Yeah, I think by the end of the movie Ariel's mind was more than made up.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 25, 2009 23:31:33 GMT -5
LOL. I know I've mentioned that a few times But when I read stuff like that I just think "Well YOU like her as a mermaid, but that's not how she wants to be!" LOL Hey, if Eric wasn't a prince how do you think he'd go about persuing Ariel? What comes to my mind is that he'd really try to prove himself worthy, but also have a hard time with it thinking he isn't.
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Post by Zavi on Mar 27, 2009 15:03:27 GMT -5
Aw, thanks. It gets frustrating when you get a stream of one-word reviews, so I try to be thorough.
My pleasure.
That line made me laugh. XD
Oooh, I love these questions!
I think Ariel and Eric would have either a lot of little spats or one big one early in their relationship. I'd even air on the side of both. Like WickedElphie said, they might get to the point of separation, but it wouldn't be damaging to the relationship. After they spoke calmly about the issues, they'd probably be closer together.
Also, external conflicts might make them argue more, as Ariel and Eric have very different ways of solving problems. Eric seems like the person who worries and blows things out of proportion, while Ariel finds a solution and acts purely on impulse.
By choosing to marry Ariel, Eric throws himself into every conflict he hasn't been willing to address. Whether he likes it or not, he's gonna be crowned king after he's a husband, and I'm sure that'd stress him out. Since most of his conflicts are internal--he over-thinks everything--his worries could build without anyone noticing. After that, he might snap at the littlest thing and Ariel wouldn't be a happy camper.
Edit: Eric's princeliness doesn't really affect Eric's character, so I think the details wouldn't be too different. I'd imagine he'd have an Aladdin moment where he'd hear a voice and think Wow if he wasn't rescued like the movie. Afterwards, he'd probably take her to some nice places in town and to the lagoon. The only difference would be a less fancy carriage.
If Eric found out Ariel was a princess, however, he wouldn't consider himself worth her time. Basically, he'd be like Aladdin without Genie and the lying.
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 27, 2009 15:36:41 GMT -5
If Eric found out Ariel was a princess, however, he wouldn't consider himself worth her time. Basically, he'd be like Aladdin without Genie and the lying. I'd agree there. Also IMO depending on what Eric's exact situation is I could see them having the "Splash" ending instead of Ariel become human. For example if Eric was just a normal sailor I think it would be problematic since he'd be gone a lot and Ariel wouldn't be able to go with him. Unless he was, say, on the verge of becoming the captain of his own ship. Then they'd have their own cabin and she could come with him on his travels. Oh, dang it, not another plotbunny. *headdesk* Edited To Add: crossover fanart For The Win! la-siren-of-eire.deviantart.com/art/Every-Man-For-Himself-117204097
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 27, 2009 15:53:02 GMT -5
If Eric found out Ariel was a princess, however, he wouldn't consider himself worth her time. Basically, he'd be like Aladdin without Genie and the lying. I'd agree there. Also IMO depending on what Eric's exact situation is I could see them having the "Splash" ending instead of Ariel become human. For example if Eric was just a normal sailor I think it would be problematic since he'd be gone a lot and Ariel wouldn't be able to go with him. Unless he was, say, on the verge of becoming the captain of his own ship. Then they'd have their own cabin and she could come with him on his travels. Oh, dang it, not another plotbunny. *headdesk* LOL! I dunno if you meant the Aladdin comparison to be funny, but it was since it's true. XD "Max, this is no time to panic!" ::huge tital wave emerges:: ::glassy vacant stare:: "Start panicking..." XD That just popped into my head. Yeah, depending on what was going on in his life would depend on how he'd react to the situation. I really don't think Eric would mind living as merman if the occasion arose.
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Post by Zavi on Mar 28, 2009 15:48:16 GMT -5
It must be plotbunny breeding season or something. I've been so inspired this week, too. Thank you, fanvids!
Heh, I kept noticing Aladdin comparisons when I was thinking about what he'd do to pursue Ariel if he wasn't a prince. I was just like, he's a sailorly Aladdin who's honest from the start. XD
This topic/question has been in the back of my head for some time, but I wasn't going to say anything about it. Then, a plotbunny came and changed the direction of the story, so now I can! What do you think Eric's room looks like?
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 28, 2009 19:25:49 GMT -5
Wait...which question was at the back of your mind?- "What does Eric's room looks like?" or "what if Eric was just a regular guy?"
My answer to the first-blue, with LOTS of pictures of ships and the sea. I can't picture the furniture as being too dark or too heavy either.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 29, 2009 0:46:56 GMT -5
I think the question was what Eric's room looks like since we kind of already talked about Eric being a normal guy. XD That's what I imagined for his room at the beginning of TTWDPF, Elphie. Also I can him having a collection of things things he'd find on his sailing trips. Something unique from each place he'd visit.
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Post by Zavi on Mar 29, 2009 14:51:56 GMT -5
I was referring to the room question--sorry about that.
Heh, I thought the opposite! I always imagined his room with warm colors--reds, beiges, golds, or any color of the ocean at sunset. He'd have dark furniture, like a really deep russet or mahogany.
I do agree, though--his room, no matter the color, would be heavily decorated. I'm sure each object/picture/whatever has a story that Ariel will inevitably be curious about. Eric won't mind telling her everything. "I got this one when I took a trip to Iceland...", "This was after the incident at Tortuga...", "Trust me. You don't want to know how I got that one." XD
If he chose the room or moved later in his childhood, it's probably pretty small--like, smaller than Ariel's room. I think Eric'd prefer cozy spaces because he'd be used to ships' cabins and wouldn't feel the need for so much space. The balcony and the bathroom would probably make up for that, though.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 29, 2009 17:49:26 GMT -5
Silly Eric. Shouldn't he know that Ariel would want to know what happened in Tortuga? XD
I can see Eric being moved from his room really young to the "King's" room, and having issues staying in there for a little while. "This isn't my room, it's my parents." sort of thing.
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 29, 2009 17:55:36 GMT -5
See I have to completely disagree with you, Zavi. I feel like his room, while not necessarily huge, should feel very open, and maybe have big windows. Also, in my head, while shipboard Eric likes to bunk in a hammock in the larger room with the regular sailors (which Grimsby strongly disapproves of) or even sneak up on deck and find a spot to curl up in there.
My idea is that Eric actually doesn't like confined spaces at all. He's not claustrophobic exactly, but he doesn't like to feel closed in.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 29, 2009 19:20:34 GMT -5
Speaking of the sailors, sorry new topic popped into my head. LOL
What do you think Eric's relationship would be like with the sailors?
My new thing is that his father died when he was really little and his mother wanted him to have someone to teach him about that stuff since he liked ships so much. At first they would be put off by Eric. And Captain Sayers wouldn't be as nice as is later on Eric's life. "Great! I've just been made the royal baby-sister of 'Princess Erica'."
And at times Eric would be really annoying to them. But they'd begrudgingly grow fround of Eric, thinking it's sort of the patriotic duty to teach the future king to be a man, while Eric would kind of make a family out of them. But the issues would arise since it's not "proper" that he socialize with them so much.
Any thoughts?
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Post by WickedElphie on Mar 29, 2009 23:56:09 GMT -5
See I always picture his Mom dying first, so there's that. Also I feel like at some point Eric would try to latch on to Sayers or someone like him as almost a substitute father only to be rebuffed a little. Not because they were trying to be mean but because they'd be aware that it would ultimately be a bad idea.
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Post by Zavi on Mar 30, 2009 15:31:37 GMT -5
Hmm, I never thought of it that way. Eric definitely likes open spaces, but I never saw him feeling confined in smaller ones. Just in restraining situations.
I think the sailors were a strange surrogate family to Eric--he may have bonded with the lot of them for a long time, but none of them were very close. Max seems like the one Eric looks to for everything, and if a dog's advice fails (a.k.a. Eric can't understand when Max barks the truth), he'd go to the sailors.
I'm sure Eric never minded sailing alone/with just Max either--not that he didn't like the sailors but that it'd give him time to think things over.
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Post by disneydudettex on Mar 30, 2009 15:32:11 GMT -5
I agree with fridamoonbeam i always thought Eric's mom would die first when he's born, and then his dad would die when he was about eight. The sailors would probably be good friends with his father so being friends with the sailors was a way of connecting with his dad. I also thought that Grimbsy and Carlotta would be his mother-father figure after his own mother and father died. Sayers would probably be the big brother figure to him. Teaching the ins and and outs of Sailing and such.
Going back to Zavi's topic about what Eric's room would look like. I always pictured it big but quite modest at the same time. The color palate would be quite pure and clear. Blues and greys and light colors. Filled with knick-knacks (a bit like Ariels Grotto if you think about it), big bed, filled with pictures of ships and maps all over the walls. Pictures of his mother and father (and Max obviously). Big windows and a balcony looking over the sea. I can also see a dog bed for Max (most likely that wont be used. Max would probably dominate the bed).
That was a good topic Zavi. I went CRAZY! Pen and pencil in my hand and I'm ready to draw lol. XD
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Mar 30, 2009 17:24:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I do agree Eric was a bit of a loner as far as the whole family intimancy went. I used to think that it was his mom that died first, and some how it kind of played a part in why he desired to have a 'special girl' later. It seemed that he lacked having a woman in his life. I'm sure Carlotta would have loved him, but he was also her job.
Now what I was hoping to go for was that he may have gotten used to not having a father figure around, so he knew is mother a little more, then was probably more sad when she died. He would have more of a loss if that makes sense. I do see him as wanting someone to be a father, like Sayers, but as Elphie pointed out, wouldn't really happen. So he'd be more like a bigger brother or like that cool uncle everyone has. LOL
I dunno why, but I really like the idea if he had a rocky time with the sailors at first. Maybe because I like to put that boy through torment XD
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